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  Lost - Ep #606 - Sundown

Index:

Terms:

  • T1: The timeline where flight 815 crashed on the Island.
  • T2: The "flash-sideways" timeline where the Losties continue on to LA and the Island is underwater.
  • Jack2, Kate2, Claire2. etc2: Characters in T2. T1 characters have no suffix.
  • Flocke: The impersonation of Locke, presumably by the Man in Black, aka Esau, Jacob's Nemesis, The Smoke Monster.

Scene By Scene

All dialogue from the Lostpedia "Sundown" Transcript

-T2 LA Suburb/Omer2's House-
  • In the language of flowers, yellow rose = "forgive and forget"
  • Sayid2's reflection in Nadia's door is split - half is clear, half is black/obscured.
  • Sayid2 says he does translating for oil company contracts, which doesn't explain why he has an Iranian passport.
  • Sayid2 's brother is in dry cleaning, which indeed can be adventurous if you borrow from load sharks.
  • Uncle Sayid2 brought boomerangs: foreshadowing of things sent away that come back.
-T1 Temple-Dogen's Office -
  • The prominent colors are green plants and red books.
  • Still wondering why Dogen wears a fingerless glove on his left hand.
  • Why did Dogen attack Sayid?
  • Good Sayid says he's bad, Bad Sayid says he's good.
  • How the hell can Sayid march into Dogen's office alone and then have a noisy, knockdown fight without anybody else showing up? Short version: Other Security SUCKS (#1).

    Cynical version: We needed a fight, so we had a fight. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense.

  • Dogen declines to kill Sayid. Following Jacob's rules?
-T1 Flocke and Claire -
  • Why not just have Claire clear the ash away?
  • Nice lack of sentries/lookouts - Other Security SUCKS. (#2)
  • Flocke didn't really answer Claire's question about why she had to go to the Temple
  • Flocke: "I always do what I say" - Flocke's promised Claire that she'll get Aaron back. Doing this would be challenging, as Aaron is off-Island with his grandmother. This is a opportunity to see if Flocke lies.
-T2 LA-Omer2's House -
  • Sayid2 is sleeping on the couch, which implies that he doesn't live in LA.
-T1 Temple -
  • MILES: "They... they tried to save you, but... you were dead, man. For two hours. Trust me when- when you sat up they were just as surprised as the rest of us. So whatever brought you back, it wasn't them." - Sayid might take this as independent evidence that something bad did happen to him.
  • Claire just waltzes in the front door. Other Security SUCKS (#3)
  • Why does Dogen obey Claire and speak to her in English? Is she still a Candidate, despite being Claimed/Infected?
  • Claire: "..maybe you should send someone he won't kill"
  • Who are the people Flocke won't kill - Candidates? Is it won't or can't?
  • What's with all the back and forth, Claire goes in-send somebody out business? Why couldn't Claire just deliver Flocke's message instead of Dogen sending somebody to talk to Flocke who then comes back and talks to Dogen? Was Flocke hoping Dogen would send Sayid?
  • Why did Dogen want Jack and Hurley? Was he going to send them to meet with Flocke?
  • Did Jacob bring Jack and Hurley to the Lighthouse so that they wouldn't be sent to talk to Flocke?
  • Jack and Hurley are missing. Other Security SUCKS. (#4)
  • Dogen and Sayid are alone, AGAIN. Other Security SUCKS (#5)
  • Dogen kept the knife buried in a flower pot.
  • Dogen describes Flocke as an "angry man". Is he angry at being trapped, or is their something more?
  • DOGEN: "For years, he has been trapped, but now Jacob is gone, he's free. This man will not stop until he has destroyed every living thing on this island. He is evil incarnate."

    Wow, that's a pretty clear statement.

    Does "every living thing" mean animals and plants, not just people? Why would Flocke want to do this?

  • Why should Sayid believe Dogen?
-T2 LA-Omer2's House/Hospital -
  • Sayid2 says he has to go to Toronto. He's lying, because every time a character in Lost refers to Canada they lie. Ethan, Kate, Sawyer, Anthony Cooper, and Ben have all lied about Canada.
  • Big Red backpack
  • Nadia2's bright Red blouse.
  • Jack2 passes Sayid2 and Nadia2 in the hospital hallway.
  • Omer2 has a punctured lung. This would indicate either a stabbing or a severe beating that broke a rib. Either way, this is a bad business move for a loan-shark. If Omer2 dies or can't work it's more likely they won't get paid.
-T1 Jungle/Temple Kate/Sayid/Miles-
  • "What'd I miss?", "Ask Miles" - I REALLY like how the Losties are at least trying to talk and share information.
  • That Kate said "Thank you" to the Other who opened the courtyard door stood out to me, maybe because it's so normal and gracious.
  • Miles is playing solitare.
  • It was nice of Miles to give Kate a simple explanation for what Sawyer did.
  • I love it, Kate quicky asks Miles what's going on and Miles tells her. This would have been unthinkable in seasons 1-5.
  • Miles thinks Claire is "still hot". I worry about him.
-T1 Jungle Sayid/Flocke -
  • That's a badass knife. I wonder if there's something special about it.
  • Screenshot of Knife
  • Flocke was out and about as Smokey again.
  • Flocke said "Hello Sayid" before he was stabbed. I don't think that made Sayid's attack futile. I think Dogen warned against Flocke speaking because of Flocke's persuasiveness.
  • The blade actually went into Flocke. I wonder if the bullets in the Statue's foot went through Flocke and flattened on the stone behind him.
  • No Blood
  • How does Flocke know that Dogen tried to have someone else kill Sayid?
  • I think Flocke is right, Dogen expected Flocke to kill Sayid. But is Sayid still a Candidate, and therefore someone Flocke can't kill? Not to mention the old question of "can't" vs. "shouldn't"- was Dogen trying to get Flocke to break the rules?
  • Flocke doesn't address the whole "Evil Incarnate" issue.
  • LOCKE: "...Sayid, if you'll do this for me... what if I told you that you could have anything you wanted. What if I said you can have anything in the entire world?
    SAYID: "I would tell you that the only thing I ever wanted, died in my arms, and I'll never see it again."
    LOCKE: "What if you could?"

    The rest of Flocke and Sayid's conversation occurs off-camera, and I hesitate to be overly legalistic, but it seems odd to me that Flocke never comes right out and offers "anything in the whole wide world". He keeps prefacing his statements with "What if", which to me makes his offers hypothetical rather than actual. In other words, he never comes right out and says "Do X for me and I will give you Y"; it's more like "If I were able to give you Y, would you be willing to do X?". As they say, the Devil is in the details.

  • Is there any connection between Flocke's seeming offer of "anything you wanted" and Ben's story of the "Magic Box"?

    And yes, I still want to know how Anthony Cooper ended up on the Island.

-T1 Temple Sayid/Kate -
  • According to Sayid, the outer wall is a mile south of the Temple proper.
  • Note how Flocke doesn't give the Temple Others the same choices he gave Sawyer: They may be "free", but it's only to choose between joining Flocke or death.
  • SAYID: "He wants you to know that Jacob is dead. And because he's gone, none of you have to stay here anymore. You're free."

    Flocke may in part see himself as freeing the Others from Jacob's slavery. That they allowed themselves to be ruled by Jacob may be why he was "very disappointed".

  • Claire is singing "Catch a Falling Star".
  • The Other's apparent solidarity crumbles when confronted by choice.
-T2 LA Sayid2/Omar2/Keamy2 -
  • It's Omar2 (not to be confused with Omer2), last seen being blown up by a grenade in T1.
  • Omer2 speaks Arabic.
  • Keamy2 does a good Christopher Walken impression without being too obvious about it.
  • Keamy2 is wearing a big shiny watch-did he get it from Jin2? Was it intended for Keamy2?
  • I can't fault Sayid2 for killing Keamy2 and his thugs-they clearly represented a mortal threat to him and his family.
  • Jin2 pled in Korean for Sayid2 not to kill him.
-T1 Temple Sayid/Dogen/Kate/Claire... -
  • Sayid is allowed to meet with Dogen, alone and armed, Other Security SUCKS (#6).
  • Dogen's recruitment story is interesting, but it didn't answer Sayid's question. We still don't know why Dogen wanted someone else to kill Sayid.
  • Other people have theorized that part of Dogen's deal with Jacob is that Dogen follow some rules, like not killing Candidates.
  • Dogen didn't deny that he tried to have other people kill Sayid twice.
  • Baseball floating up echoes the baseball falling in the earlier fight scene.
  • Wait, Dogen was keeping Flocke out? How? (no answer). What about the ash? (no answer). If Dogen was keeping everyone alive, why did the Others let someone they knew to be Claimed/Infected kill him? (no answer).
  • Of course, once Flocke has minions the ash doesn't work so well as a defense.
  • Ilana seems to always refer to the Losties by their last names.
  • Smokey is lit from within by flashes.
  • I think we can safely conclude that Sayid has gone over to the dark side.
  • Miles tells Sun that Jin is alive.
  • How did Kate and Claire get out of the pit?
  • Claire knows about the Flocke/Smokey connection.
  • No sign of Sawyer this episode. Is he off on a mission?
  • Flocke, Claire and Sayid shared a very creepy smile.
  • Flocke and minions aren't staying at the Temple. Why did he attack it?

Questions/Theories/Hairbrain Predictions

  • I don't know why they introduced the Temple only to ravage it a few episodes in or why the Temple was guarded by a 20th century businessman who chose to dress like a medieval samurai (Halloween costume maybe?) or where all these people were a few short days ago when the Smoke Monster was haunting Ben in the Temple basement, since they've made a rather large point out of the fact that, until this episode, the Smoke Monster couldn't get into the Temple.

    Source: Fishbiscuitland
  • OtherSayid's story is different from the OtherStories that we've watched in recent weeks. He didn't contemplate his reflection in a clear mirror, as his friends had done. Instead, there was only a passing glance of his distorted image captured unexpectedly in Nadia's front door glass.

    OtherSayid was an interrogator for the Revolutionary Guard, just like Original Sayid. He was still fearsome and violent. Still a passionate lover separated from the one he loves. There were no radical departures from his story as we knew it, except of course that he'd apparently manipulated Nadia into becoming the wife of his brother, and it's unclear if the two had ever bonded in a torture cell, the way we'd seen them do. Unlike the previous Other-flashes, Sayid's story seems much the same. He is still an assassin. He doesn't rise above. He doesn't conquer his demons. He doesn't solve his problems. We can tell that OtherLOST isn't going to be merely a mirror story of redemption, because there isn't any redemption there for Sayid.

    Source: Fishbiscuitland
  • # Temple security leaves much to be desired. Claire -- the same wingnut who spent the last three years picking off Others -- knocked on the front door unimpeded. And Kate walked right in as well. Next week, Rose and Bernard will pop by for mojitos and backgammon ( ... I'm thinking that'll be cancelled, though).
    # Speaking of the Temple ... Dogen's death allowed Flocke to enter, right? So what's the point of the ash? We saw Bram use ash alone to keep smokey at bay (temporarily), but I'm not getting the Dogen connection. Does the temple elder carry some sort of anti-smokey mojo?
    # ANJATH? -- Anyone Notice Jack At The Hospital? Figured I'd get that out of the way.

    Source: Filmfodder
  • 'Lost': When is 'wanting answers' a bad thing? Or a good thing?
  • Lost Discussion Group: What's the Objective?
  • The Others have certainly shifted from the implacable enigmas of seasons past to confused and frightened peasants.
  • I think you could make a case that Jacob abandoned his people at the Temple. Yes, I know he's dead, but he's still a major player. If he can finagle a way to nudge Jack towards enlightenment and keep Jack and Hurley out of Flocke's clutches maybe he could have made an effort towards keeping the Temple safe. And dunking Sayid in the Pool was his idea in the first place. Smooth move, Sherlock.
  • Who was controlling the time-travel? Some of the jumps were necessary to Flocke's plot to kill Jacob, but Jin's jump to the French team allowed Jacob to save Sayid.
  • Flocke/MIB is still nameless.
  • "He will come to you as someone you know... someone who has died." WOW. This kind of information would've been pretty fucking useful last season, no? Dogen's intel on the dark man's operation is a thousand times better than Ben or Richard's. You'd think if they're sharing personnel with the barracks crew that Dogen could somehow educate his allies against what looks to be the island's greatest potential enemy. Instead, he keeps that knowledge to himself and hides ancient mystic weaponry in the soil of common houseplants. Not a smart move.

    Source:Vozzek99
  • Why did Dogen know about Flocke's ability to impersonate the dead but Ben and Richard were kept in the dark. besides it being necessary to the plot?

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RT @fuckyeahlost If #LOST was Baywatch, the opening sequence might look like this: - If Lost was Baywatch -

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RT @johnmoe "As always, this year's dance theme is 'A Complete Waste of Time / Go Urinate Now'."

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RT @fuckyeahlost Details about the official #LOST Encyclopedia: - Official Lost Encyclopedia coming in Aug2010 -

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Possible the best Lost recapper, Fishbiscuitland on "Sundown": - The Dark Side -

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  Twitter Sun, 07 Mar 2010 00:25:43
"Creators of 'Lost' say they won't tie up all those loose ends", plan to move to Tibet - I've had 5 season of "characters", now I want a coherent plot and ANSWERS - #makethemtalk

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  Lost Ep #605 - Lighthouse

Index:

Terms:

  • T1: The timeline where flight 815 crashed on the Island.
  • T2: The "flash-sideways" timeline where the Losties continue on to LA and the Island is underwater.
  • Jack2, Kate2, Claire2. etc2: Characters in T2. T1 characters have no suffix.
  • Flocke: The impersonation of Locke, presumably by the Man in Black, aka Esau, Jacob's Nemesis, The Smoke Monster.

Scene By Scene

All dialogue from the Lostpedia Transcript

-T2 Jack2's Apartment-

  • lost picture lighthouse jack and parents

    I could Photoshop a better picture with my nose.

  • Apartment was all black and white. Every piece of art-black and white.
  • Appendectomy Scar:

    There is NO WAY Jack2 would have forgotten that he had had his appendix taken out. He's a neat-freak surgeon who waxes his chest hair-he wouldn't forget that he has a big-ass scar right over his hipbone. Sure, he might have forgetten the actual incident when he was seven, but he would have been reminded about constantly since then.

    So I see 2 possibilities:

    1. Jack2's appendectomy is new, and T2's past has changed to accomodate it.
    2. My Theory: Jack2 is confused between memories of both the T2 and T1 appendectomies.

  • What song is playing in Jack2's truck? It's driving me crazy.
  • It's a sullen mini-Jack!
-T1 Temple-
  • Jack's reflection is unclear.
  • "Tie again" - If the first player is allowed to play in the center, tictactoe can always be played to a tie. How many games have MIB and Jacob played to a tie?
-T2 Jack's Apartment-
  • David is a Dodgers fan, not the Red Sox.
  • T1 Jack read "Alice in Wonderland" to Alex.
  • David takes after his dad, took ONE cookie and resealed bag.
-T1 Temple Hurley and Dogen-
  • Screenshots of writing on Hurley's arm. Good luck decyphering it, Jorge Garcia has terrible handwriting.
  • It's interesting that Dogen knows about Candidates but not Richard.
  • Hurley is still a terrible liar.
  • Dogen's Japanese: "You're lucky that I have to protect you. Otherwise I'd have cut your head off."
  • Hurley's looking for the Shen Ring to open the secret door.
-T1 Claire and Jin-
  • Love the creepy Pig-Skull Baby
  • It must never rain on Claire's camp.
  • You just know we're going to see more of that dynamite.

    Irrelevant Fun Fact: Dynamite and TNT are not the same.

  • CLAIRE: "We'd better get that cleaned up. If there's one thing that'll kill you around here it's infection."

    IRONY

  • As someone who is Claimed/Infected, is Claire not getting any Island Healing Goodness?
  • Screenshots of Claire's Camp
-T2 Jack2's Childhood Home- -T1 Claire and Jin-
  • The Others must not have been trying to find Claire very hard, her camp seems easy to find.
  • Claire makes a distinction between "her father" (Christian) and her "friend". Bear in mind that she's nuts.
-T1 Jungle, Hurley and Jack-
  • This must be the last season, because finally characters are asking questions and sharing information.
  • The new Lost forthrightness doesn't extend to Jack telling Kate that Claire has been zombiefied.
-T2 Jack2's Apartment/Ex-Wife's House- -T1 Jungle, Hurley and Jack-
  • Jack's reason for returning to the Island may be selfish, but at least he's being honest.
  • HURLEY: "It's right there. It's a lighthouse."
    JACK: "I don't understand. How is it that we've never seen it before?"
    HURLEY: "Guess we weren't lookin for it."
-T1 Claire and Jin-
  • The Others tested Claire like they tested Sayid.
  • How did Claire escape? Are the Others unwilling to kill her because she's a Candidate? "313 Littleton" was crossed off in the cliffside cave.
-T2 Williams Conservatory-
  • Sign: "Welcome All Candidates!"
  • Reflection of David in piano lid.
  • Red judge's table.
  • From the back I thought Dogen2 was Sayid2.
-T1 Lighthouse-
  • Lighthouse wheel echoes Frozen Donkey Wheel
  • In the mirror: The temple where Sun and Jin got married, the church where Sawyer's parents had their funeral, Jack's parent's house.
  • Jack's house has a white door-T2 house's was red.
  • Oh, NOW you want answers.
  • Lighthouse Interior Screenshots
  • Austen (Kate) wasn't one of the cliffside cave names, but she's on the wheel.
  • Sayid and Jack's names on the wheel look to be written or rewritten with a darker line than the other names. This isn't because they time-travelled, because "Kwon", "Austen" and "Ford" (above "Jarrah") aren't darker as well.
  • The wheel appears to be full, with no space for more names. This is like the cliffside cave, where the numbers got to zero.
  • 108 on the wheel is "Wallace", which could be a "William Wallace" reference to Desmond or just a red herring, since Jacob didn't intend the wheel to get turned anyway.
  • If "Wallace" is a reference to a philosopher, it could be Alfred Wallace.
  • List of Names and Numbers on the Lighthouse Wheel.
  • " Kwon is at 42° and Ford is at 15°. Jack is at 23°, which would mean that if the wheel were turning clockwise, we would see Sawyer’s reflection, then Jack’s, then the Kwons. If it was turning counter-clockwise, we’d see the opposite - but nevertheless, we would see Jack’s reflection in between those. Perhaps he just missed the reflection the first time since the wheel was turning so fast, or perhaps the powers-that-be weren’t really paying attention. And maybe I pay too much attention."

    Source

    It's stuff like this that makes me worry about plot holes the size of Jupiter.

-T1 Lighthouse, Hurley and Jacob-
  • Hurley actually chides Jacob for not filling him in.
  • Hurley is never as dumb as he seems.
  • How did Jacob know that Jack would see anything in the mirrors?
  • Why can't Jack be told what he needs to do? Probably because he wouldn't do it.
-T1 Claire and Jin-
  • Of course She's nuts, but it seems a little contrived that Claire would want to kill Kate for raising Aaron. Somebody had to take care of him-Claire had disappeared.
  • Flocke doesn't seem happy to see Jin.
  • How does Claire know that Flocke is "her friend" that's been with her for the last 3 years? The MIB couldn't have assumed Locke's form until a couple of days ago, and he's been busy. How did the MIB appear to Claire before Locke's body returned to the Island? And if Claire can recognize the MIB no matter what form he takes, why did she make a distinction between "her friend" and "her father", who presumably was the MIB impersonating Christian?

Questions/Theories/Hairbrain Predictions

  • Ep #604 was title "The Substitute", which might have tied in with the Who song. And if you want to go down the rabbit hole of Lost references, this episode's title, "Lighthouse", could be a reference to The Who's unfinished and unreleased followup to "Tommy", "Lifehouse".
  • I had always assumed that Jack's Ford Bronco was something he bought post-Island. It just seemed to be a strange car for a tightly wound spinal surgeon to drive.
  • "Like season 6 Jack, the tragic hero of Greek myth Narcissus also was fond of looking at himself in reflective surfaces. According to Wikipedia, the word ''Narcissus'' is derived from a Greek word meaning... ''sleep'' and ''numbness.'' (Wow. That tangent was both short AND possibly relevant!)"

    Source: Jeff Jensen
  • I'm thinking of referring to Jacob as "The Smug Bastard" from now on.
  • Justin was ready to kill Claire, but Dogen couldn't just kill/execute Sayid. They are both "claimed" Candidates, what accounts for the difference?
  • The Great 'Lost' Debate: Analyzing the sideways universe
  • Why was Claire tested? Why didn't the Others just kill her?
  • What is Jacob's relationship to the Purge?
  • The $64,000 question: did Widmore knowingly send Locke back at the behest of The Man in Black or Jacob? Because one of those two had to give him his marching orders. Answering that is like answering "Who staged the Oceanic 815 crash at the bottom of the Sunda Trench?" during Season 4. You've got two equally plausible scenarios that can't be answered definitely at this point. Either The Man in Black told Widmore to send him back to create the loophole, or Jacob WANTED the loophole to be broken in order to make the final leap of progress.

    Source: Zap 2 'Lost'

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  Lost Ep #604 "The Substitute"

Index:

Terms:

  • T1: The timeline where flight 815 crashed on the Island.
  • T2: The "flash-sideways" timeline where the Losties continue on to LA and the Island is underwater.
  • Jack2, Kate2, Claire2. etc2: Characters in T2. T1 characters have no suffix.
  • Flocke: The impersonation of Locke, presumably by the Man in Black, aka Esau, Jacob's Nemesis, The Smoke Monster.

Scene By Scene

All dialogue from the Lostpedia Transcript

-T2 LA Suburb-
  • License plate number of Locke2's van: 3PCI068
  • Locke2 took a leap of faith off the van.
  • T1 unmarried single Locke wouldn't have laughed at being stranded on the lawn and doused by sprinklers.
  • Locke loved the rain on the Island.
  • Where did Locke2 meet Helen2? T1 Locke met Helen at an anger management class he was taking because his dad conned him out of his kidney.
  • Locke2 gets along with his father, Anthony Cooper2, which strongly suggests that AC2 didn't con Locke2 out a kidney or push him out of an eighth-story window.
  • This would also mean that Locke2 is paralyzed for another reason.
  • Black and White (with a little Grey area) Coffee Cup.
  • "Lost Luggage" LOL
-T1 Island- -T2 Box Company- -T1 Flocke & Richard-
  • Flocke deliberately hit Richard in the throat to prevent him from speaking. What didn't he want him to say?
  • RICHARD: "What do you want?"
    FLOCKE: "What I've always wanted. For you to come with me."

    Flocke is probably just flattering him, but Richard does have some value.
  • RICHARD: "Why do you look like John Locke?"
    FLOCKE: "I knew he'd get me access to Jacob. Because John's a candidate. Or at least he was a candidate..."
    RICHARD: "What do you mean? What do you mean a candidate?"
    FLOCKE: "Didn't Jacob tell you any of this?"
    RICHARD: "Any of what?"
    FLOCKE: "Oh, Richard... I'm sorry. You mean, you've been doing everything he told you all this time and he never said why?"
    [Richard does not reply]
    FLOCKE: "I would never have done that to you. I would never have kept you in the dark."
    RICHARD: "And what would you have done?"
    FLOCKE: "I would have treated you with respect. Come with me... and I promise I will tell you everything."
    RICHARD: "No."
    FLOCKE: "Are you sure about that, Richard? Because people seldom get a second chance..."
    RICHARD: "I'm not going anywhere with you."
    FLOCKE: "Alright."
    [Locke sees a blond boy with bloodied arms standing in the jungle ... ]"
    RICHARD: "What?"
    FLOCKE: "I'll be seeing you, Richard. Sooner than you think."
    [FLocke walks into the jungle]
  • Flocke said Locke was a Candidate, which gave him access to Jacob. Richard didn't know about Locke's candidacy or the concept of candidacy, so there was or is something other than Richard that controlled access to Jacob.
  • Flocke promises answers.
  • I'm unsure whether Richard couldn't see the blond boy or if the boy was simply gone when he turned around.
  • Flocke attempted to recruit Richard, but let him live once he refused. Is is against "The Rules" for Flocke to kill Richard? It's possible that Flocke/Smokey can't kill people unless they've been "judged" or in self-defense. Of course now that I think about it, "self-defense" is a pretty murky concept when one is bulletproof.
-T1 Statue-
  • Ben tells the truth about everything except for the part about him killing Jacob.
  • Ilana collected some of Jacob's ashes.
  • First instance of Ilana showing knowledge of Flocke: "He's recruiting".
-T1 Dharma Barracks-
  • Search and Destroy, by The Stooges:

    I'm a street walking cheetah
    with a heart full of napalm
    I'm a runaway son of the nuclear A-bomb
    I am a world's forgotten boy
    The one who searches and destroys
    Honey gotta help me please
    Somebody gotta save my soul
    Baby detonates for me
    Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology!
    Ain't got time to make no apology
    Soul radiation in the dead of night
    Love in the middle of a fire fight
    Honey gotta strike me blind
    Somebody gotta save my soul
    Baby penetrates my mind
    And I'm the world's forgotten boy
    The one who's searchin', searchin' to destroy
    And honey I'm the world's forgotten boy
    The one who's searchin', searchin' to destroy
    Forgotten boy, forgotten boy
    Forgotten boy said
    hey forgotten boy

    lyrics source

    Quite possibly the best use of pop-music in the entire series.
  • Stooge: " One who allows oneself to be used for another's profit or advantage; a puppet."
  • I can see Sawyer thinking, "great, another sonofabitch who's supposed to be dead but is still walking around."
  • Flocke tasted the booze but did not drink. I'm betting we never see him eat or drink.
  • Even drunk Sawyer could see through Flocke.
  • LOCKE: "This isn't your house, James." - This mirrors Locke2 telling Jack2 that the airline didn't lose his father.
  • Flocke promised answers again.
  • SAWYER: "I'm on this island because my plane crashed. Because my raft blew up. Because the helicopter I was on was ridin' one too heavy."
    Coincidence, Fate, or Enemy Action?
-T2 Box Company Parking Lot-
  • Hurley2's luck: Locke2's lift doesn't even touch his Hummer.
  • How the hell did Hurley2 even get out of his Hummer?
  • There's a little polar bear statue in Locke2's box
-T1 Outside Statue-
  • The crab on dead Locke's head was a nice (creepy) touch.
  • It's interesting that both Lapidus and Sun were packing heat.
-T1 Flocke & Sawyer-
  • Flocke was surprised that Sawyer can see the blond kid.
  • BOY: "You know the rules. You can't kill him."
  • Can't kill who? Sawyer?
  • Is this a rule that can't be broken or one that shouldn't? If it can't be broken, why remind Flocke? If the rule can be broken, is there a penalty, or are the rules based merely on agreement? Or is the boy's warning to Flocke just a storytelling device to introduce the rule?
  • FLOCKE: "Don't tell me what I can't do!"
  • Is Locke's personality beginning to manifest itself in Flocke? Flocke has shown a liking for machetes similar to Locke's.
  • Richard and Sawyer's conversation didn't tell us much except that Richard is scared shitless of Flocke. Whether Richard is correct in his low opinion of Flocke's veracity and motives remains to be seem. Me, I'm with Sawyer: get some answers. Even lies can be informative.
  • "I enjoyed a brief interactivity with LOST this week; when Locke was faced with a stuck chair lift at the beginning, I yelled out "JUMP IT!!!!" seconds before he attempted that very thing. I was highly amused, and tried it later on when Fake Locke was chasing the Island Boy. I yelled "why are you running?!? you're not human!!! change into smoke and GET HIM!!!"

    It didn't work."

    Source: The CDP (comments)
  • "What Kid?" Uh, the one you asked if I could see? AWKWARD
-T2 Temp Agency-
  • In T1 Locke2's interviewer was hired by Hurley's father to pose as a tarot reader.
  • In T2, Rose2 works for a company Hurley2 owns.
-T1 Flocke & Sawyer-
  • Flocke said "Of Mice and Men" was before his time.
  • SAWYER: "What are you?"
    FLOCKE: "What I am is trapped. And I've been trapped for so long that I don't even remember what it feels like to be free. Maybe you can understand that. But before I was trapped, I was a man, James. Just like you."
    SAWYER: "I'm havin' a hard time believin' that..."
    FLOCKE: "You can believe whatever you want, that's the truth. I know what it's like to feel joy... to feel pain, anger, fear... to experience betrayal. I know what it's like to lose someone you love. So if you wanna shoot me, shoot me. But you're so close, James. It would be such a shame to turn back now."

    That's a pretty good speech. It may even be true.
  • I think one reason Sawyer didn't shoot Flocke is because he believes there's a good chance it won't work.
-T1 Burying Locke-
  • BEN: "Why did you have to bring him [Locke's body] to the statue in the first place?"
    ILANA: "Because the people there need to see the face of what they're up against."
    BEN: "And whats to stop what they're up against from changing his face?"
    ILANA: "He can't; not anymore. Hes stuck this way."

    I've got a possible problem with what Ilana knows and doesn't know:

    • She knows somehow that Flocke is recruiting.
    • She knows somehow that Flocke can't impersonate a dead person other than Locke.
    • How is it that she does NOT KNOW that Flocke couldn't have killed Jacob? I hope she didn't believe Ben and is just stringing him along until they get to the Temple.
  • When did Ilana realize that resurrected Locke was the MIB and why didn't Richard or Ben?
  • Loved Ben's eulogy. I think he may actually feel guilty.
  • If Locke was the new leader of the Others, will Ben's confession that he murdered him get him in trouble?
-T2 Locke2's House-
  • Every episode this season so far there's been a mirror scene. Jack2 in the airplane bathroom, Kate2 in the repair shop bathroom and now Locke2 in his bathroom. Locke2's scene is the first where the character doesn't at themselves in the mirror; because T1 Locke is dead?
  • "Oh honey, you travel with a case full of knives, how sweet"
  • Unlike T1 Locke, Locke2 decides to accept his paralysis and stop fantasizing that he could be some special person leading an exotic exciting life. Now all he has to do is stay away from ocean trips.
-T1 Flocke & Sawyer, Cliffs-
  • How are they going to get out of that cave?
-T2 High School-
  • Evil genius and master manipulator Ben Linus is a passive-aggressive european history teacher.
  • But how can Ben be alive? He was wounded and at the Temple when the Losties lit off Jughead and sunk the Island, wasn't he? Except that this requires that flight 815 crashed with Sayid on board so that Sayid travell back to 1977 and shoot Ben, which didn't happen. Welcome to the paradoxical nature of the T2 timeline, if T2 depends on T1.
-T1 Jacob's Cave-

Questions/Theories/Hairbrain Predictions

  • You know what this episode was missing? Tom Berenger
  • I'm getting a feeling that we won't get many answers from the Others. If Richard doesn't have the inside scoop, who does?
  • At first I thought the blond boy was 2 people, the first bloody one younger than the second. But Lostpedia says it was the same actor both times.
  • Casting call for the blond boy:
    "Teenage boy, caucasian, 12-14. Dirty blond hair. Wise beyond his years. He's got intense, searching eyes. He's dealt with a horrible family accident. Even at a young age, he has been put in charge of something very important, and it weighs heavily on his shoulders."
  • Why did Jacob visit Kate as a child but not write her name in the cave? Let's put it this way: He's been on that damn Island for hundreds of years with only a homicidal pillar of black smoke for company.
  • 4 - Locke
    8 - Reyes
    15 - Ford
    16 - Jarrah
    23 - Shephard
    42 - Kwon
  • I'm not buying that Jacob gets people to come to the Island by influencing ONE choice they make, usually in childhood. That would be like making a 10 dimensional bank-shot off thousands of cushions.
  • The numbers may have started with Jacob's Cave list, but why to they keep showing up?
  • Notice how the Cave numbers are counting down? The current crop of shanghaied dupes are the last ones unless Jacob starts over with larger numbers
  • Parallels between Jacob/MIB and the Hatch by CruzaderJC
  • ..........................................
    You think we look pretty good together
    You think my shoes are made of leather

    But I'm a substitute for another guy
    I look pretty tall but my heels are high
    The simple things you see are all complicated
    I look pretty young, but I'm just back-dated, yeah
    Substitute your lies for fact
    I can see right through your plastic mac
    I look all white, but my dad was black
    My fine looking suit is really made out of sack

    I was born with a plastic spoon in my mouth
    The north side of my town faced east, and the east was facing south
    And now you dare to look me in the eye
    Those crocodile tears are what you cry
    It's a genuine problem, you won't try
    To work it out at all you just pass it by, pass it by

    Substitute me for him
    Substitute my coke for gin
    Substitute you for my mum
    At least I'll get my washing done

    The Who: Substitute lyrics
    .........................................
  • Do the Jacob's Ladders lead to Jacob's Cave, like the Monster says? Are the names those of the people Jacob wanted to bring to the Island? Or are they just the Monster's list of each of Jacob's players that he's managed somehow to capture? I think it must be the Monster's cave, because Juliet's name is crossed out, and Jacob was quite dead before she finally kicked it. Or maybe it was until just recently a shared space, a free zone where both had equal rights.

    Source: Fishbiscuitland
  • Theory: Jacob needed Ajira flight 316 to bring back the Oceanic 6 (-Aaron) as much as the MIB needed it to bring Locke's body and Ben.
  • Symbols of confinement:
    • Locke2 in wheelchair
    • Locke2 stuck on van lift
    • Locke2 in bathtub
    • Locke2's cubicle
    • Hurley2 blocking Locke2's van
    • Richard wrapped in tarp
    • Sawyer inside house, drinking behind bed
    • Flocke describing himself as "trapped"
    • Locke's grave
    • Cave
    • Flocke stuck impersonating Locke
  • Every time I hear the line "The time for questions is over" in a promo I get the impression "they" are telling me to shut up.
  • Why does the Island need protecting? Sure, the Island is a strange and unique place, but is it a good place?
    • Pro: Undependable healing effect
    • Con: Pregnant women die in childbirth
    • Homicidal cultists
    • Malevolent smoke monsters
    • Manipulative, kidnapping, murderous blond demi-god
    • Booby-trap laying crazy women
    • Nuclear Weapon
    • Chemical Weapon
    • Ben Linus

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