Index:
Terms:
- T1: The timeline where flight 815 crashed on the Island.
- T2: The "flash-sideways" timeline where the Losties continue on to LA and the Island is underwater.
- Jack2, Kate2, Claire2. etc2: Characters in T2. T1 characters have no suffix.
- Flocke: The impersonation of Locke, presumably by the Man in Black, aka Esau, Jacob's Nemesis, The Smoke Monster.
All dialogue from the Lostpedia "Sundown" Transcript
-T2 LA Suburb/Omer2's House-- In the language of flowers, yellow rose = "forgive and forget"
- Sayid2's reflection in Nadia's door is split - half is clear, half is black/obscured.
- Sayid2 says he does translating for oil company contracts, which doesn't explain why he has an Iranian passport.
- Sayid2 's brother is in dry cleaning, which indeed can be adventurous if you borrow from load sharks.
- Uncle Sayid2 brought boomerangs: foreshadowing of things sent away that come back.
- The prominent colors are green plants and red books.
- Still wondering why Dogen wears a fingerless glove on his left hand.
- Why did Dogen attack Sayid?
- Good Sayid says he's bad, Bad Sayid says he's good.
- How the hell can Sayid march into Dogen's office alone and then have a noisy, knockdown
fight without anybody else showing up? Short version: Other Security SUCKS (#1).
Cynical version: We needed a fight, so we had a fight. It doesn't matter if it doesn't make sense.
- Dogen declines to kill Sayid. Following Jacob's rules?
- Why not just have Claire clear the ash away?
- Nice lack of sentries/lookouts - Other Security SUCKS. (#2)
- Flocke didn't really answer Claire's question about why she had to go to the Temple
- Flocke: "I always do what I say" - Flocke's promised Claire that she'll get Aaron back. Doing this would be challenging, as Aaron is off-Island with his grandmother. This is a opportunity to see if Flocke lies.
- Sayid2 is sleeping on the couch, which implies that he doesn't live in LA.
- MILES: "They... they tried to save you, but... you were dead, man. For two hours. Trust me when- when you sat up they were just as surprised as the rest of us. So whatever brought you back, it wasn't them." - Sayid might take this as independent evidence that something bad did happen to him.
- Claire just waltzes in the front door. Other Security SUCKS (#3)
- Why does Dogen obey Claire and speak to her in English? Is she still a Candidate, despite being Claimed/Infected?
- Claire: "..maybe you should send someone he won't kill"
- Who are the people Flocke won't kill - Candidates? Is it won't or can't?
- What's with all the back and forth, Claire goes in-send somebody out business? Why couldn't Claire just deliver Flocke's message instead of Dogen sending somebody to talk to Flocke who then comes back and talks to Dogen? Was Flocke hoping Dogen would send Sayid?
- Why did Dogen want Jack and Hurley? Was he going to send them to meet with Flocke?
- Did Jacob bring Jack and Hurley to the Lighthouse so that they wouldn't be sent to talk to Flocke?
- Jack and Hurley are missing. Other Security SUCKS. (#4)
- Dogen and Sayid are alone, AGAIN. Other Security SUCKS (#5)
- Dogen kept the knife buried in a flower pot.
- Dogen describes Flocke as an "angry man". Is he angry at being trapped, or is their something more?
- DOGEN: "For years, he has been trapped, but now Jacob is gone,
he's free. This man will not stop until he has destroyed every living thing on this island.
He is evil incarnate."
Wow, that's a pretty clear statement.
Does "every living thing" mean animals and plants, not just people? Why would Flocke want to do this?
- Why should Sayid believe Dogen?
- Sayid2 says he has to go to Toronto. He's lying, because every time a character in Lost refers to Canada they lie. Ethan, Kate, Sawyer, Anthony Cooper, and Ben have all lied about Canada.
- Big Red backpack
- Nadia2's bright Red blouse.
- Jack2 passes Sayid2 and Nadia2 in the hospital hallway.
- Omer2 has a punctured lung. This would indicate either a stabbing or a severe beating that broke a rib. Either way, this is a bad business move for a loan-shark. If Omer2 dies or can't work it's more likely they won't get paid.
- "What'd I miss?", "Ask Miles" - I REALLY like how the Losties are at least trying to talk and share information.
- That Kate said "Thank you" to the Other who opened the courtyard door stood out to me, maybe because it's so normal and gracious.
- Miles is playing solitare.
- It was nice of Miles to give Kate a simple explanation for what Sawyer did.
- I love it, Kate quicky asks Miles what's going on and Miles tells her. This would have been unthinkable in seasons 1-5.
- Miles thinks Claire is "still hot". I worry about him.
- That's a badass knife. I wonder if there's something special about it.
- Screenshot of Knife
- Flocke was out and about as Smokey again.
- Flocke said "Hello Sayid" before he was stabbed. I don't think that made Sayid's attack futile. I think Dogen warned against Flocke speaking because of Flocke's persuasiveness.
- The blade actually went into Flocke. I wonder if the bullets in the Statue's foot went through Flocke and flattened on the stone behind him.
- No Blood
- How does Flocke know that Dogen tried to have someone else kill Sayid?
- I think Flocke is right, Dogen expected Flocke to kill Sayid. But is Sayid still a Candidate, and therefore someone Flocke can't kill? Not to mention the old question of "can't" vs. "shouldn't"- was Dogen trying to get Flocke to break the rules?
- Flocke doesn't address the whole "Evil Incarnate" issue.
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LOCKE: "...Sayid, if you'll do this for me... what if I told you that you could have anything you wanted.
What if I said you can have anything in the entire world?
SAYID: "I would tell you that the only thing I ever wanted, died in my arms, and I'll never see it again."
LOCKE: "What if you could?"The rest of Flocke and Sayid's conversation occurs off-camera, and I hesitate to be overly legalistic, but it seems odd to me that Flocke never comes right out and offers "anything in the whole wide world". He keeps prefacing his statements with "What if", which to me makes his offers hypothetical rather than actual. In other words, he never comes right out and says "Do X for me and I will give you Y"; it's more like "If I were able to give you Y, would you be willing to do X?". As they say, the Devil is in the details.
- Is there any connection between Flocke's seeming offer of "anything you wanted" and
Ben's story of the "Magic Box"?
And yes, I still want to know how Anthony Cooper ended up on the Island.
- According to Sayid, the outer wall is a mile south of the Temple proper.
- Note how Flocke doesn't give the Temple Others the same choices he gave Sawyer: They may be "free", but it's only to choose between joining Flocke or death.
- SAYID:
"He wants you to know that Jacob is dead.
And because he's gone, none of you have to stay here anymore. You're free."
Flocke may in part see himself as freeing the Others from Jacob's slavery. That they allowed themselves to be ruled by Jacob may be why he was "very disappointed".
- Claire is singing "Catch a Falling Star".
- The Other's apparent solidarity crumbles when confronted by choice.
- It's Omar2 (not to be confused with Omer2), last seen being blown up by a grenade in T1.
- Omer2 speaks Arabic.
- Keamy2 does a good Christopher Walken impression without being too obvious about it.
- Keamy2 is wearing a big shiny watch-did he get it from Jin2? Was it intended for Keamy2?
- I can't fault Sayid2 for killing Keamy2 and his thugs-they clearly represented a mortal threat to him and his family.
- Jin2 pled in Korean for Sayid2 not to kill him.
- Sayid is allowed to meet with Dogen, alone and armed, Other Security SUCKS (#6).
- Dogen's recruitment story is interesting, but it didn't answer Sayid's question. We still don't know why Dogen wanted someone else to kill Sayid.
- Other people have theorized that part of Dogen's deal with Jacob is that Dogen follow some rules, like not killing Candidates.
- Dogen didn't deny that he tried to have other people kill Sayid twice.
- Baseball floating up echoes the baseball falling in the earlier fight scene.
- Wait, Dogen was keeping Flocke out? How? (no answer). What about the ash? (no answer). If Dogen was keeping everyone alive, why did the Others let someone they knew to be Claimed/Infected kill him? (no answer).
- Of course, once Flocke has minions the ash doesn't work so well as a defense.
- Ilana seems to always refer to the Losties by their last names.
- Smokey is lit from within by flashes.
- I think we can safely conclude that Sayid has gone over to the dark side.
- Miles tells Sun that Jin is alive.
- How did Kate and Claire get out of the pit?
- Claire knows about the Flocke/Smokey connection.
- No sign of Sawyer this episode. Is he off on a mission?
- Flocke, Claire and Sayid shared a very creepy smile.
- Flocke and minions aren't staying at the Temple. Why did he attack it?
Questions/Theories/Hairbrain Predictions
Source: FishbiscuitlandI don't know why they introduced the Temple only to ravage it a few episodes in or why the Temple was guarded by a 20th century businessman who chose to dress like a medieval samurai (Halloween costume maybe?) or where all these people were a few short days ago when the Smoke Monster was haunting Ben in the Temple basement, since they've made a rather large point out of the fact that, until this episode, the Smoke Monster couldn't get into the Temple.
Source: FishbiscuitlandOtherSayid's story is different from the OtherStories that we've watched in recent weeks. He didn't contemplate his reflection in a clear mirror, as his friends had done. Instead, there was only a passing glance of his distorted image captured unexpectedly in Nadia's front door glass.
OtherSayid was an interrogator for the Revolutionary Guard, just like Original Sayid. He was still fearsome and violent. Still a passionate lover separated from the one he loves. There were no radical departures from his story as we knew it, except of course that he'd apparently manipulated Nadia into becoming the wife of his brother, and it's unclear if the two had ever bonded in a torture cell, the way we'd seen them do. Unlike the previous Other-flashes, Sayid's story seems much the same. He is still an assassin. He doesn't rise above. He doesn't conquer his demons. He doesn't solve his problems. We can tell that OtherLOST isn't going to be merely a mirror story of redemption, because there isn't any redemption there for Sayid.
Source: Filmfodder# Temple security leaves much to be desired. Claire -- the same wingnut who spent the last three years picking off Others -- knocked on the front door unimpeded. And Kate walked right in as well. Next week, Rose and Bernard will pop by for mojitos and backgammon ( ... I'm thinking that'll be cancelled, though).
# Speaking of the Temple ... Dogen's death allowed Flocke to enter, right? So what's the point of the ash? We saw Bram use ash alone to keep smokey at bay (temporarily), but I'm not getting the Dogen connection. Does the temple elder carry some sort of anti-smokey mojo?
# ANJATH? -- Anyone Notice Jack At The Hospital? Figured I'd get that out of the way.- 'Lost': When is 'wanting answers' a bad thing? Or a good thing?
- Lost Discussion Group: What's the Objective?
- The Others have certainly shifted from the implacable enigmas of seasons past to confused and frightened peasants.
- I think you could make a case that Jacob abandoned his people at the Temple. Yes, I know he's dead, but he's still a major player. If he can finagle a way to nudge Jack towards enlightenment and keep Jack and Hurley out of Flocke's clutches maybe he could have made an effort towards keeping the Temple safe. And dunking Sayid in the Pool was his idea in the first place. Smooth move, Sherlock.
- Who was controlling the time-travel? Some of the jumps were necessary to Flocke's plot to kill Jacob, but Jin's jump to the French team allowed Jacob to save Sayid.
- Flocke/MIB is still nameless.
Source:Vozzek99"He will come to you as someone you know... someone who has died." WOW. This kind of information would've been pretty fucking useful last season, no? Dogen's intel on the dark man's operation is a thousand times better than Ben or Richard's. You'd think if they're sharing personnel with the barracks crew that Dogen could somehow educate his allies against what looks to be the island's greatest potential enemy. Instead, he keeps that knowledge to himself and hides ancient mystic weaponry in the soil of common houseplants. Not a smart move.
- Why did Dogen know about Flocke's ability to impersonate the dead but Ben and Richard were kept in the dark. besides it being necessary to the plot?
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