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Lost - Ep #510 - "He's Our You"
Lost Hes our you oldham

I have got to cut down on the toad licking.
I had a dream that Billy Holiday was licking my frontal lobes.

or,

Dammit, just when I get the DharmaBong© fired up, you buzzkills drop in


For me, an episode of Lost isn't finished until 3 recappers tie it all together with a mix of poetry and insight:

The Play-by-Play

  • KILL THE CHICKEN, THE EVIL CHICKEN - CHOKE THE CHICKEN...wait, what?
  • Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
  • Yea, no credit for telling the truth...chubby non-chicken killer wuss brother.
  • Brother and Father issues, what a surprise.
  • Sayid's childhood mirrors Eko's
  • --1977--

  • What is Phil polishing, some knobs?
  • Sayid killed a chicken, now he gets a chicken sandwich
  • This Ben is older, he met Richard 4 years ago.
  • If he's around 12 now, he was 8 when he went into the jungle. I like 11-12 meeting richard, 15-16 now.
  • A Separate Reality
    Excerpts
  • --2007 Moscow--

  • I'm sorry, but does this putz look like a threat? I think Sayid just killed a blackmarket Viagra smuggler.
  • Sayid went out a different door, good tradecraft.
  • The writing in the glass over the door says "Oldham Pharmaceuticals" in Russian.
  • Iron gate bars mirrors iron bars on Sayid's cell.
  • Ben: "You didn't kill them for ME, Sayid. YOU'RE the one that asked for their names."
    Typical Ben passive-aggression: "You're the bad guy, while I'm pure as the driven snow".
  • Hey, wait a minute, you're not done. What about the Economist? He's still alive.
  • --1977--

  • Garden shears? Nice feint towards torture.
  • Plastic Handcuffs? For a plane trip? Not metal?
  • Did they have plastic handcuffs/cable ties in 1977?
  • Radzinsky is obsessed with his model. I can see why he's all alone out at the Flame.
  • Sawyer should be watching the Jail.
  • Juliet is burning food again.
  • Where the hell is Sayid going to go? Why wouldn't he pose as a defector? Ignoring the problem that anything he says about the Others would be a total fabrication, and he would have to worry about Ben killing him.
  • Nice Afro behind the counter.
  • "Alice in Wonderland" Geronimo Jackson poster on the wall..
  • Ben brings Sayid sandwiches, Juliet brought Jack sandwiches.
  • Roger, not looking so good.
  • Why the hell are they letting Roger wander into Sayid's cell? So he can mop!? Can't have a dirty jail floor, what with all the traffic it gets. Dumb as hell.
  • "You never made me a sandwich in your life." - Roger mirrors Ben's comment to Juliet about soup, with added headslam.
  • --2007--

  • "How did you find me? I looked." - asking Ben questions gets you nothing but snark.
  • Ben, lying through his teeth, again, still.
  • Ben is a killer too.
  • --1977--

  • Automatic rifles are a poor choice to move prisoners.
  • And that would be one of the "zappers".
  • Who's watching the Flame? Why is Radzinsky involved?
  • Is that Billy Holiday singing I can't give you anything but love?
  • Oldham is living without electricity. Somebody else who doesn't like technology.
  • Nice confounding of expectation: Oldham doesn't torture. Why does do people think he's a psycho? He be more evil later.
  • Oldham seems less like Dharma material than ship captain LaFleur.
  • "One pill makes you larger and one pill makes you small..." - "White Rabbit", Jefferson Airplane (Now all we need is "Jefferson")
  • Sayid: [Pointing at Ben] "And if I see you again, it'll be extremely unpleasant for us both."

    This is very different from the first viewing of this scene in This Place is Death:

    Sayid: "I don't want any part of this. And if I see you, or him again, it will be extremely unpleasant for all of us." [Sayid leaves]

  • They're not going to believe him.
  • Getting Tied to a Tree:
    • The Tailies tied Sayid to a tree after Ana Lucia shoots and kills Shannon.
    • Jack and Sayid tied Sawyer to a tree when Shannon's asthma inhaler goes missing.
  • Larry: What's your name? Darryl, perchance?

    Stoned Sayid: Dude, nah, it's Sayid. Sayid Ja-to-the-rah. As in "rasta," as in Marley...Dude, have you ever listened to Marley? No, I mean like, really listened to him? Profound stuff, man.

    Larry: Why were you in handcuffs?

    Stoned Sayid: HAVE YOU EVER REALLY LOOKED AT YOUR HANDS?

    Larry: Why were you in handcuffs?

    Stoned Sayid: 'Cuz I'm baaaaaaaad. SHAMONE.

    Larry: Why were you running away from your people?

    Stoned Sayid: Dude, what?

    Larry: The Hostiles, why were you running away from them?

    Stoned Sayid: Awww, man, I'm not hostile. Why are you so hostile? You should chilllll. It's all love, man. Not hostility.

    Larry: So, where'd you come from?

    Stoned Sayid: A plane. A plane of another existence man. OPEN YER MINDSSSS.

    Larry: Uh, what?

    Stoned Sayid: Yeah, Ajira Flight 316. And that's how I returned to the island, dude.

    Larry: Say what now?

    Stoned Sayid: Dude, this will blow your mind but I was here before on Oceanic Airlines Flight 815. AND IT CRASHED MAN. Dude, I was here for like, 100 days. But then I left. And then I came back. Its like a big circle, man. KARMA. DHARMA. HEY! GET IT? THAT RHYMES!

    Larry: What?

    Stoned Sayid: Nah, seriously dude. I was here. Ask Sawyer.

    Larry: Darryl who?

    Stoned Sayid: Sawyer. Ask him, man.

    Larry: Fine. Tell us what you know about our stations.

    Stoned Sayid: DUUUUUUUDE. That one? The Flame? Is totally not on fire. And that other one? The Pearl? With all the teevees and stuff? OH and there's that other one? The Swan? With the giant magnet or something? It was totally rad until the incident. It had snacks. OOOH. I WANT SNACKS. DO YOU HAVE ANY DHARMA CHEETOS?

    Group: [Freak out.]

    Stoned Sayid: Dudes. You know what? You're all gonna die. Bummer.

    Larry: Well, how would you know that, Sayid?

    Stoned Sayid: BECAUSE, DUDE. I'M FROM THE FUTURE. The air is clean. The water's clean. Even the dirt... is clean. Bowling averages are way up. Mini-golf scores are way down. And we have more excellent waterslides than any other planet we communicate with.

    And that's when Larry suddenly worries he gave Sayid too much of the good stuff, and Sayid's like, "Nah, Dog. I've got just the right buzz going on. Can I get some of that for parties, you think?"

    Lost note: The drug: we're not entirely sure what drug this is that Larry gives Sayid, but there has been some speculation that it might be the same bitter drug Ethan doses Claire with during her time at the Caduceus station. Thus, the sugar cube.

    Tubular
  • Horace the mathematician must not be in on the Orchid time-warp plans. I bet Pierre Chang would have turned white hearing Sayid.
  • Radzinsky is an idiot. You don't give a prisoner more information.
  • Radzinsky: [Interrupting] "The Swan?! How could he know what we were gonna name it? We haven't even built it yet! I told you! He saw the model! You see?! He is a spy!" - Then why is Pierre Chang wearing a Swan logo on his lab coat?

    And Why does Roger Linus have the Swan on his jumpsuit?

  • Where does a guy living in a teepee in the middle of nowhere get a hold of truth serums? And sugar cubes?
  • The girls have nice shoes.
  • I got a big kick out of Juliet and Kate's scene. It totally confounded any expectation of bitchy confrontation.
    They've both been around the block, they're practical women and they don't need any more shit than they've already got. So, this a volkswagen flat-4 air-cooled engine...

  • lost kate juliet dharma jumpsuits

    Sawyer is so screwed. Lucky Bastard

  • Why is EVERYTHING Dharma brand? Even the motor oil? Stuff like that would cost good money.
  • Horace still believes Sayid is an Other.
  • Meeting mirrors the Other's book club.
  • Why does Radzinsky have the option to go over Horace's head?
  • Amy: Kill the Other while holding your child who will become an Other.
  • Not everybody gets to vote - evidence of a class structure? I count 12 people in the meeting.
  • I'm beginning to hope that Kelvin lied about Radzinsky killing himself in the Swan just so I can enjoy watching someone else kill him, slowly and painfully. Maybe Radzinsky and Rose get locked in a closet together and annoy each other to death.
  • --2007--

  • Sayid is drinking MacCutcheon.
  • The idea that a private bounty hunter can take a handcuffed Iraqi to Guam for a murder he committed in the Seychelles one day after he's captured is absurd. But it gets Sayid and Illana on the plane, so let's just roll our eyes and move on.
  • Illana offers to buy Sayid a rabbit's foot.
  • Sayid should have said: See these people? These are my friends from Flight 815, and they're on this flight to help free me from your clutches. We better take another flight.
  • --1977--

  • Sayid has an idea of the "purpose" behind the time travelling?
  • Sawyer asks the one question that Kate told Jack not to ask
  • "Three years, no burning busses, ya'll back ONE day" - Best line of the night.
  • Young Ben setting fire to bus mirrors Walt setting fire to boat.
  • Fire - report to building 15 - the one on fire?
  • Ben's hoodie mirrors Evil Charlie
  • Sayid's purpose is to kill Ben. He's had a plan.
  • Nice work by Ben. Where did he get the keys?
  • Young Ben needed glasses, Old Ben only uses them to read - how does that work?
  • --2007--

  • Illana's been warned about Ben.
  • --1977--

  • Well, that was a definite shot. No misfire, no misses.
  • Sayid's purpose/time-travel task was to shoot Ben, only he won't die. Wanna bet Juliet is his Doctor?

    But mostly, I think Sayid's purpose in going back to 1977 becomes NOT putting an end to Ben Linus, but actually turning him into the person he will become. He hangs his head and says, "You're right; I am a killer," and young Ben doesn't know what he's talking about. But 30 years later, the adult version of Master Linus will look at Sayid and say, "You're a killer, Sayid."

    What Nikki Noticed
  • Then we have Ben reminding Sayid that he's a killer... telling him that he's a killer... over and over, beating it into his skull. We also have Sayid driven to an intense hatred for Ben and a complete mistrust in him by the time he gets on the Ajira airways flight. Add all of this together and what do you get?

    Alright, I've built it up enough: Ben wanted Sayid to go back to the past and shoot him. He fine-tuned Sayid into enough of a killing machine and instilled enough hatred in his heart for him so that Ben knew he would shoot even a young child version of himself. Yeah, I know it's crazy. I know it's out there. But if you examine this episode and really delve into why Ben spent so much off-island time honing Sayid into the killing tool he's now become... it makes a lot of sense.

    Vozzeck69

Theories, Predictions, and Deep Thoughts

  • The one thing that bothered me about this episode is how easily Sayid went along with Ben's "kill Widmore's stooges" plan. Sayid has always been practical and skeptical - I would expect that at some point during the 3 years he spent doing Ben's dirty work he would begin to wonder just who his targets were.
  • Mirror/Parallels List:

  • Young Sayid kills to prevent his brother from having to, echoing Eko's flashback in "The 23rd Psalm."
  • Ben "frees" Sayid from assassinations in the future in a perversion of his freeing of Sayid from captivity in the past within this single episode.
  • Sayid is, yet again, tortured...though this one most closely resembles his torturing of Sawyer in "Confidence Man."
  • Illana flirts with a drunken Sayid in a bar, mirroring Ana-Lucia sitting next to both Jack and Christian Shephard at various points.
  • Illana dupes Sayid with sex only to attack him, much like Ilsa in "The Economist."
  • Sayid knocks back glass after glass of extremely expensive MacCutcheon whisky, the same whisky denied Desmond by Widmore, then presented to Desmond by Charlie and Hurley (both in "Flashes Before Your Eyes").
  • Sayid sees an echo of his own hard-ass father in abusive Roger Linus...not that it stops him or anything.
  • Young Ben's repeated sandwich deliveries aimed at getting something from Sayid mirror Juliet's plying of captive Jack with cheeseburgers on several occasions during early Season 3.
  • Sayid's lie that he was actually there to bring Ben back to the Others mirrors Ben's later lie to Locke that he was the Lostaways' captive for the same reason. ("Two For the Road" Thanks, Bundt! -SL)
  • Sayid denies that he's a killer by nature to Adult Ben on one tropical Island only to affirm it to Young Ben on another.
  • The cyrillic writing over the door as Sayid leaves the building after killing Andropov reads "Oldham Pharmaceuticals" and later, Sayid will be interrogated by Oldham with pharmaceuticals.
  • A be-hoodied Ben uses fire as a diversion to liberate Sayid much as a be-hoodied Charlie used a fire as a diversion to abduct Aaron in "Fire+Water."
  • Ben gives a book to captive Sayid like Locke will give books to a captive Ben on two separate occasions.
  • Young Ben burns a vehicle, creating chaos, just like Walt burned a vehicle (the first raft), creating chaos. ("...In Translation")
  • Even Hurley, practically in a cameo, echoed his stint as Keeper of the Food in "Everybody Hates Hugo" by becoming a cook for the DHARMA Initiative.
  • Looking at the Little Things
  • "He's Our You", and "A Separate Reality" tease us with the concept of multiple timelines.
  • Just because young Ben might be dead, doesn't mean he stays dead.
  • Everybody Dharma is first name, except LaFleur, Radzinsky, and Oldham.
  • In Namaste, Christian used an electric light, not a lantern or fire.
  • Lines:
    1. "A 12-year-old Ben Linus just brought me a chicken sandwich. How do you think I'm doing?"
    2. "Even the new mom wants you dead."
    3. "I thought it was kinda obvious. Who couldn't see that coming?" -- Hurley on the Sawyer/Juliet coupling.
  • Sayid in a cell mirrors Ben in the Swan storage closet:

    Sayid has dropped out of the sky (literally) onto the island in 1977, not unlike the way Ben dropped out of the sky onto the island in 2004. Sayid was taken prisoner and dubbed "hostile." So was Ben. Arguments about whether or not to kill Sayid ensued, just as they did about Ben. Obviously we all know Sayid is not a bad guy, he's a man who has done very bad things in his life but feels remorse about them. To put it in "Pulp Fiction" parlance, he's trying real hard to be the shepherd.

    We have all assumed that Ben is a bad guy -- yeah, brace yourself, we're getting back to this again. And up to this point, it's a fair assumption since there is a key difference between him and Sayid -- Ben has yet to show real remorse for any of the murders he has committed. But I think throughout the entire series, the "Lost" writers have been coming back to this theme of "others," and how we make assumptions about who is good and bad and what their motivations are, based solely on our own perspectives. As we can see with what the Dharma-ites tried to do to Sayid, that is not always fair. Is it fair to Ben? We'll see. But I think all of this says something important about human nature and our propensity to judge when, often, we have no basis for doing so.

    Celebritology
  • LINDELOF: We're not going to tell you that we're against bending the time-space continuum. We are very for it. Carlton and I are PRO time-space continuum bending! But we're ANTI-paradox. Paradox creates issues. In Heroes, Masi Oka's character travels back from the future to say, ''You must prevent New York from being destroyed.'' But if they prevent New York from being destroyed, Masi Oka can never travel back from the future to warn you, because Future Hiro no longer exists. Right? So when we start having those conversations at Lost, we go, ''This show is already confusing enough as it is.'' To actually have characters traveling through time has to be handled very deftly.

    Lindelof and Cuse on Time Travel Rules


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