As a last resort, Desmond gives Jack the notorious "Glaswegian Stink Eye"
- This episode was originally scheduled to be #507, but was switched with "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
- Rerun/Mirror/Proxy for the Pilot opening-minus Vincent and plus note fragment.
- Watch the spinal surgeon dive headfirst into shallow water. Hey! Maybe that was "a leap of faith". Thanks, I'll be here all week.
- You cannot tell me that Hugo doesn't float. When did he forget how to swim? He used to do cannonballs into the ocean.
- Kate: "What Happened?" - That would be the question.
- That would be 46 hours in perceived time.
- Hawking and Ben don't seem too disturbed by the lack of Kate, Hugo, and Sayid.
- Under the church is the
Lamp Post Dharma Station
- The name of the station is in reference to The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, the second book of The Chronicles of Narnia. In the book, a lamp post marks the passage between Narnia and our world. The Lamp Post serves a similar function with regard to the Island.
- The lamp post in Narnia was explained in Book One of the The Chronicles of Narnia, "The Magician's Nephew". In that story, which is a prequel to "The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe" and features the creation of Narnia, a young boy named Digory discovers a "place between worlds" that allows him to visit other versions of reality by jumping through pools. He awakens Jadis, who then comes back to London and wreaks havoc, eventually tearing a bar off a lamp post before she's sent back to Narnia. When she gets there, children in tow, Narnia has yet to be made; Aslan is in the process of doing so, and she attacks him with the bar. He ignores the attack, and she throws the bar away, where it plants itself in the ground and begins "growing" into a second lamp post. Both the "jumping into pools" and using the lamp post as the lone connection to the outside world seem related to Narnia.
- Also in that story, Digory's Uncle Andrew tricks Digory's friend Polly into traveling to the place between worlds by having her touch a yellow ring; this is similar to how Ben got Sun to come on the trip.
- The Swan station had one counter, the Lamp Post has a bunch. Too bad they Longitude and Latitude columns are mislabeled.
- Eloise: "The Dharma Initiative called it the Lamp Post. This is how they found the island."
By her phrasing, Hawking indicates that she wasn't/isn't part of Dharma. Yes, I know she was an Other, but one doesn't preclude the other.
- There's a photo of the Island, labeled "9/23/54 - U.S. Army - OP 264- Top Secret - Eyes Only". No reason to believe it's not part of a con. The date is one day short of 50 years from the date Flight 815 crashed - September 22, 2004.
- "A very clever fellow built this pendulum" - But I won't say his name.
I don't buy Hawking's explanation - she's either outright lying (no!, that couldn't be) or leaving out crucial aspects. What I think she glossed over is exactly where (or when) the Island is between the predictable "windows". It's got to be somewhere.
Eloise: "Well, this fellow presumed, and correctly, as it turned out, that the Island was always moving. Why do you think you were never rescued? Now while the movements of the Island seem random, this man and his team created a series of equations which tell us, with a high degree of probability, where it is going to be at a certain point... in time" - but not in Space? Is that why they got time skipped out of Flight 316?
The island seems to be behaving like a quantum mechanical particle - Fuselage Forum
- Why can't the Island tell Desmond directly that it's not done with him? It told Hawking.
- Desmond remembers Hawking.
- In another case of classic Lost apathy, no one cares that Desmond has met Hawking before and that she sent him back from his mental time travel.
- If I were Desmond, I would stop sailing around in Penny's bloody boat and relocate somewhere far inland, like Nebraska.
- Desmond's warning to Jack mirrors Sayid's to Hugo.
- I'm with Desmond - If I were the O6 I would be wondering why I should trust Locke, Ben, or Hawking as far as I could spit. For all they know they're needed back on the Island to be used for human sacrifice. You want me back on the Island, sure, I want explanations. Long, detailed, footnoted explanations. Faith my ass - Locke had faith and he ended up in a pine box.
- Hawking's office is a couple of stories underground - why does it have windows?
- How did Hawking get hold of Locke's note?
- Per Hawking, it's belief that powers the mojo.
proxy (plural proxies)
- : An agent or substitute authorized to act for another person.
- : The authority to act for another, especially when written.
- : (software) An interface for a service, especially for one that is remote, resource-intensive, or otherwise difficult to use directly.
- : (sciences) A measurement of one physical quantity that is used as an indicator of the value of another
- What?! Direct questions? Stop it Jack, you're ruining the magic show.
- Ben: "Of course he was. We're all convinced sooner or later, Jack." - Convinced of WHAT? I'm till waiting to hear what everybody is supposed to believe. Is it that the Island is a place where miracles happen, a land of milk and honey? Wasn't the last episode titled "This Place is Death"? There's a mass grave, a slave ship, and a nuclear bomb on the Island - not good signs of paradise.
- Ben: "I made a promise to an old friend of mine. Just a loose end
that needs tieing up." - Sounds like Ben is going to go kill Penny.
In the captioned rerun it's revealed that the promise was to kill Penny.
How does Ben know how to find her? He looked damned surprised to see Desmond.
- Another white rabbit.
- The first (and only previous mention) of Grandpa Ray: The Mobisode Lost : Missing Pieces Episode 1 - The Watch (YouTube)
- Jack's grandfather Ray looks suspiciously well preserved, and he really wants to go someplace, maybe someplace warm with nice beaches - and polar bears.
- Ray has a pair of Christian's shoes, the first in a long line of "coincidences" in this episode
- Don't worry about that strange noise Jack, it's not like there are guys running around with dart guns or anything.
- Big Apparent Mystery: What the fuck happened to Aaron?
- Jack wants to go back to the Island so bad he'll just write off Aaron so that Kate will come.
- There's an theory that Kate "has to" sleep with Jack in order to become pregnant so as to better "proxy" Claire.
- Jack's all chipper, Kate is a little preoccupied.
- Kate: "So why don't you get rid of 'em? Why hold on to something that makes you feel sad?" - This is strange coming from a woman who engineered a bank robbery to recover a toy airplane that would always remind her that she got her high school boyfriend killed.
- Why is Ben calling Jack's home phone?
- Ben looks like he fell into the marina.
- Putting shoes on Locke - "tying up loose ends"?
- "You want to take your friend's corpse to Guam, sure thing, no problem" - The airport/plane scenes have a strong air of unreality to them. Yesterday they were all famous, now they can all hop on a plane to Guam (and who the hell goes to Guam, really? Nothing against Guam, but it's not a famed destination, unless you're Japanese).
- Kate is not a happy camper.
- Here is where the west coast feed started losing the dialogue , but not the music, which really freaked me out. I thought it was a deliberate part of the show, and that I was supposed to start lip-reading.
- More Weirdness: Why would the Federal Marshals be escorting Sayid to Guam? Did he kill one of Widmore's associates there?
- Even More Weirdness: No one questions why Hugo, famous O6 survivor and recent triple murder suspect, has bought every available ticket.
- Hugo is the only character who's first impulse is to worry about the
welfare of others. I'll repeat my long standing prediction that Hugo Reyes (King)
will end up the ruler of the Island. Don't forget he can see Jacob, just like
Locke and Ben.
A different take on "Good vs Evil" - Fuselage Forum
- Just like on flight 815, Hugo is reading a Spanish-language comic book - "Y: The Last Man", by Lost writer Brian K. Vaughan.
- Ben looks like he has kick marks on his head, or at least something rectangular about the size of a shoe heel.
- Why would Homeland Security care about Locke's note?
- Jack: "And the other people on this plane--what's gonna happen to them?"
Ben: "Who cares?"
Maybe people who aren't psychopaths? This is more evidence that Ben is not one of the good guys. Though the rest of the O6 (minus Hugo) are quite willing to sacrifice innocent passengers too if it means getting back to the Island.
- Lapidus: "We're not going to Guam, are we?" - Couldn't Frank come up with a plausible excuse to turn the plane around?
- Ben is reading James Joyce's Ulysses - I thing he's either secretly freaked out (He's not supposed to return), or he wants to show off how smart he is.
- Ben's mother didn't teach him to read, she died in childbirth. And ghost mom showed up when Ben should have already been reading.
- Ben is lying - he knew that Locke hanged himself.
- Ben knows that Jack has to read Locke's note, that's why he leaves Jack alone.
- Gee, I guess Locke does blame you, Jack. If you had believed him he wouldn't have had to die.
- We don't know what happened to the O6/Ben/Lapidus/passengers. Did we get "unpredictable" results?
- Jin could have been rocking out to Geronimo Jackson.
The actual song used is "Excelsior Lady" by The Donkeys
- Spoilerish: New Dharma Logo on Jin's Jumpsuit
This was a strange episode, even for Lost. What seemed to be a big, complicated problem - returning the O6 to the Island - got wrapped up in record time. A lot of story happened off-camera and a lot of necessary details seemed to just drop out of the sky.
This episode sets up a lot of flashbacks to fill in the gaps:
- What happened to Kate and Aaron.
- How Ben got beaten and soaked.
- What happened to Desmond and Penny.
- What changed Hurley's mind.
- How Sayid ends up in custody.
- Who is Caesar and who is he working for.
- Is Illana just a Federal Marshal.
The "coincidence machine" was working overtime. Jack needs something of his father's - Grandpa Ray has his shoes, improbably packed in his getaway bag. Jack has no problems flying Locke's body to Guam. Hawking only explains to Jack about Locke being Christian's proxy (that we know of), yet all the O6 and some of the passengers and crew find themselves unconsciously playing roles from Flight 815. Locke's suicide note keeps finding it's way into Jack's hands. The marina where Ben has the O6 meet is probably the same one Desmond and Penny are at. I have to wonder if this phenomena is related to Ben's metaphor of the "magic box" or is it "course correction? I'm really looking forward to how TPTB explain this, assuming they do.
It it just me, or did the O6 seem strangely passive?
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Looking at the Little Things"For all that faith often seems to get the upper hand on science in that particular great debate on the show, it sure does seem to be for suckers, doesn't it? People making appeals to faith on Lost all seem to be manipulating others or are being manipulated by others (and sometimes Others). Ben and Hawking trying to buck up Jack's courage to get him back to the Island, Locke trying to convince Jack of his "destiny" of staying on the Island, Locke seeming more and more like the Island's dupe as time goes on, and so forth.
Most of the people who keep asking for faith from others - Ben, Hawking, the Island via Christian - seem to have empirical data to work from and don't exactly need faith. The faith is for those who don't have "need to know." The fate of the faithful on this show is certainly looking like it's to be used and then discarded...usually involving death. We the audience don't need any convincing that there are miracles to be had on the Island. We've seen them. Actual gnosis kind of eliminates the need for faith, don't you think? If you have direct knowledge of the supernatural, you don't need to have faith that it exists.
- 2 Big questions:
- Did Widmore use the Lamp Post to locate the Island?
We don't know how Widmore got the general location to send the freighter.
Why can't Widmore find the island? - Fuselage Forum - What is the "regular" means of getting on and off the Island? Is it just knowing where it is and sailing/flying in or out on the correct bearing? And why couldn't the O6 go back that way?
- Did Widmore use the Lamp Post to locate the Island?
- Why does Ben have the O6 meet at the Long Beach Marina, slip 23?
- Hawking knew that the "coincidence machine" would deliver the rest of the 06, that's why she didn't raise much of a fuss at Ben showing up with only Jack and Sun.
- I hope that Desmond and Penny's sailboat isn't at the marina ,because it doesn't make sense for Penny/Dez to sail all the friggin way to L.A. from England - it's around 8000 miles (through the Panama Canal).
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When is When by When is When"The question is: WHEN, in island time, did 815 crash? What year was it, on-island, that first day? Furthermore, WHEN have they been during seasons 1-4? Did any of the flashes that happened during those first 4 seasons (like the purple flash from the failsafe key turn) involve a time jump? Elloise stated the island moves. Does it also move in time when it moves?
The "when's" in the Lost storyline may be critical to understanding the show better as we head forward. It's now a given that time travel is a part of the whole. But how big a part?
- Who Proxies Who
- Hurley - Jack: Comforts passenger next to him
Charlie: Guitar case (What's in it and can he play?)
- Sayid - Kate: In custody of marshal
- Sun - Sayid: "he sat with his hands in his lap the whole flight, never said a word", travelling to reunite with a loved one
- Kate - Sun: Reluctant traveler
Claire: Possibly pregnant
- Lapidus - Jin: Flying on business?
- Ben - Hugo: Almost misses flight
Sawyer: In a recent fight, con man, murderer
Locke: Injured limb
Bernard: Gets up and walks around on flight, not in seat for the big finale
- Caesar - Rose: Comforted by the person seated next to them
- Hurley - Jack: Comforts passenger next to him
- Subtitles for "This Place is Death" tell us that Ben believes he protected the O6 by using Sayid to kill Widmore's associates.
- The FDW and it's chamber predate the Well
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Scoop: 'Lost' Finds New Season 5 Blood!"Sources confirm that Team Darlton is looking to introduce two new characters this season - and they're both as mysterious as they are lethal. They're also coming in as recurring players with an option to become series regulars in season 6.
First up is Caesar, a dangerous, physical and extremely intelligent male between the ages of 35 and 45. Although his intentions are unclear, this much is certain: He's as skillful at charming people as he is at killing them. He also has a dark past, but, c'mon, that much was a given. (Utility Fog: He also seems very polite, which is nice.)
The other newbie is Ilanna , a European female in her late 20s to early 30s who possesses great intelligence, but who's also dangerous as all get out. She's alluring and apparently used to getting her own way."
- Thoughts on last night's episode (316) - Gnosticism crops up again
- Time loops: Every time Ben is surprised, its because of Desmond ,by ivey_driveshaft
- 'Lost': 'Caspian,' See? - (Precap), by Jeff Jensen - Lots on the connection between Lost and Narnia
- 'Lost' Recap: Keeping the Faith , by Jeff Jensen
- Initial Thoughts: 316, by Gitsie Girl
- 5 X 06: 316, by Gitsie Girl
- Lost 5.06: 316, by Nik at Night
- Proxies are the new Constants, by Lost in Thought... in Alabama
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Things I Noticed - "316" , by Vozzek69
"It's not enough to just want to go back to the island - I think the island has to want you back as well. Jack's trans-Pacific flights always failed because he never had faith that they'd work in the first place. Hawking asks him to take this leap of faith, and for Jack that leap is to put his father's shoes on Locke's feet. For Hurley it was listening to those inner voices/visions, realizing that he's NOT crazy, and denying the big lie. For Sun it was believing that Jin is alive. For Kate it was giving up Aaron. And maybe for Ben, it's *not* knowing everything and letting someone else take the reins for once. He all but asks Jack what Eloise said to him in the church, but later on he leaves Jack in peace to read Locke's suicide note. Ben's always been omniscient, manipulative, controlling... but now he must let go and let things play out the way they're supposed to. That's his penance for returning to the island.
Hawking tells Jack they must recreate as many 'circumstances' as possible in parallel with the original flight. But in essence, it's not so much a physical scavenger hunt to scare up random objects that the island needs to get them back. Bringing these items is no more than a demonstration of faith; much the same way Locke had to show the island that he believed way, way back in S1. Remember when he didn't believe? The island took his legs. Yet every time he restored that faith Locke came back stronger and better than ever. Belief is everything in LOST. And belief seems to manifest itself into reality, time and time again, all throughout the show.
And speaking of Locke, his own act of faith was dying so that he could return to the island. Back in S2, Locke explains to Eko that Boone was "the sacrifice that the island demanded". Now he himself is this very sacrifice, acting as "proxy" (Hawking's word) in parallel to Christian Shephard's corpse from flight 815. What happens when Locke returns to the island is going to be very big and probably just as weird."
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The Return of the Natives, by Fishbiscuitland
"And in much the same vein, the lesson of this episode was that those who believe, those who have faith, are the heroes we should admire. The story seems to have taken a firm stand against the concept of rational scientific analysis and logic, which I do believe is a first for a story that has been aggressively hyped as a Science Fiction genre show. Instead, it seems that we in the audience are being admonished, much like Thomas was, to "Stop thinking how ridiculous it is". In other words, sit down, shut up and just enjoy the ride.
And I think this is good advice. The story probably will never make sense, but it doesn't have to make sense any more than Alice in Wonderland made sense or The Wizard of Oz made sense. It's a fantasy, a fun one, with clues and puzzles and anagrams and self referential jabberwocky galore. The fun of it is surfing through all the cultural bric-a-brac and watching the loose ends of past seasons resurface as threads of a crazy quilt that's constantly darting off into new patterns. It wasn't an accident that our ubiquitous White Rabbit showed up this episode to remind us that white rabbits don't just run down holes into Wonderland, they also serve the strictly utilitarian purpose of disappearing at rec center magic shows."
- Lost Dueling Analyses: '316', by Celebritology
- My ReVIews!! Episode 5x06 - FLIGHT 812!! , by ThEmIsFiTiShErE
- Lost Friday - "316.", by CommunistDanceParty
- Lost Recap 5x06: 316, by The Ack Attack!
- Thoughts on 316... , by Eye M Sick
- S5Ep6 - 316, by Long Live Locke
- Looking at the Little Things: 5.06 "316", by SonyaLynn
- Lost: A Rush and a Push and the Land is Ours, by Therese Odell (Tubular)
- Key Points from "316", by The Lost Blog
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